Kristi Noem Hearing: Why Dodging a Yes-or-No Question Is Always the Wrong Move

Kristi Noem sat before a congressional committee and was asked a yes-or-no question. She talked for four minutes without saying yes or no. That non-answer told us everything we needed to know — not about the question, but about her judgment.

In this episode:

• Why the hearing room was already loaded before the question was asked, and how a fired Coast Guard pilot, a missing bag, and a cover story about a weighted blanket built the case against her
• How Noem's pattern of refusing to retract, refusing to apologize, and refusing to answer direct questions finally collapsed in one four-minute exchange
• The moment a congresswoman said, "that should have been the easiest question," and why she was exactly right
• What contempt looks like as a crisis driver, why it's the most self-destructive one, and how to recognize it in the conversations happening in your own life

What you'll understand after listening:

• Why performing offense instead of answering a direct question is always the wrong move, in a hearing room or a kitchen conversation
• How to tell the difference between a real answer and a dodge, and what the dodge actually communicates to everyone watching
• The three-word response that would have ended this story in thirty seconds, and why the instinct to give a speech instead is so human and so damaging

This isn't a political story. It's a story about what happens when someone in power decides a question is beneath them — and why contempt never protects you in a crisis. It exposes you.

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Setting The Crisis Lens

Molly McPherson 0:05

Hey there, welcome back to the podcast. I'm your host, Molly McPherson. This is an episode where we are going to do what we like to do here on this podcast. Take a real crisis, uncover some of the human failure underneath them, and then figure out what the crisis can teach the rest of us. I want to talk about a moment that stopped me mid-scroll today, Wednesday, March 4th, at the time of this recording. Kristi Noem, the Secretary of Homeland Security, sitting in a congressional hearing, being asked a direct yes or no question. A question I have been wondering for a while now, when is someone going to ask it?

Why The Scrutiny Exploded

Molly McPherson 0:49

The last seven days I've been traveling for a client. So when I was on the plane yesterday and I could finally really catch up in the news and go deep, I was watching a lot of the clips of Christy Gnome testifying before Congress because, as the Homeland Security Secretary, she now is under intense bipartisan scrutiny, not just Democrat, bipartisan, over two fatal shootings of the U.S. citizens by ICE in Minneapolis. And of course, her broader mass deportation crackdown and also a partial shutdown of DHS funding. There was even some deep, deep scrutiny and judgment around an over $2 million ad campaign where we saw Christy Gnome at all these airports. So far, senators in both parties have grilled her for initially branding the dead protesters as domestic terrorists. That includes Senator Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota. And despite video and eyewitness accounts that completely undercut that claim, she still, as she testifies, refuses to retract or apologize while insisting that she relied on these chaotic early reports from agents on the ground. Everything that she has been saying doesn't make sense. Or if it makes everything she's been saying makes sense in her mind because she is following, no doubt, talking points. I mean, you can see it in her head, how her head is working. But everything is about undercutting a claim, refusing to retract, refusing to apologize, refusing to say anything to Alex Predi or Renee Good's family. She called Alex Predi a domestic terrorist. That's what Senator Klobuchar was asking her to say. And she just refused to admit it, even though we all saw on the video that she did. That's the setup. But today, in this hearing, it got worse because there was one of the biggest dodges that I've seen that put yesterday's dodges to shame. Because that's what I really want to talk about in today's episode. Because what happened in that room today is one of the clearest demonstrations of how not to handle a hard question. And the lesson applies to anyone, not just cabinet secretaries. It applies to all of us. If you're cornered or if you know someone and they are Christy gnoming you, I want to give you some advice for that. So let's get into it. To understand why

The Coast Guard Plane Incident

Molly McPherson 3:35

that hearing room was primed and ready, you need to know what had been happening in the weeks before. Now, Gnome has had a rumored relationship with Corey Lewandowski. He is her alleged boyfriend. He's also, I have air quotes, a special government employee working at the White House. They are both married to other people. Chrissy Gnome's husband was there for the testimony about Corey Lewandowski. And Corey Lewandowski lives in New Hampshire with his wife. This is his wife's second marriage because she used to be married to a man who was killed on 9-11. He was originally from, I believe, Lowell, Massachusetts. So she is a, not just a widow, but she's a tragic widow. And this woman is married to Corey Lewandowski. And there have been so many whispers around Washington, D.C. about these two together. The relationship, to put it diplomatically, one of the worst kept secrets in Washington. They've been spotted together at parties, leaving each other's apartments. Also now that they live on military housing. They're essentially just moving into where Coast Guard housing should be. The situation has become such an open joke that Noam was actually mocked online for bringing her husband to the White House event instead of Lundowski. So that's the backdrop. Now, here's an incident that I think made the whispers louder into an open conversation that ended up in the hearing today. I briefly mentioned this on a social media post a couple weeks back when Gnome's deputy press secretary, Trish McLaughlin, stepped down, air quotes again. So we don't know what happened behind that. But I had mentioned very briefly that there was an incident with Gnome and Corey Lewandowski on a government trip and it involved a Coast Guard plane. So her plane, so now she gets to fly around, Coast Guard plane, DHS, Coast Guard, the United States Coast Guard and FEMA fall under DHS. Her plane had maintenance issues and she had to switch aircraft like mid-trip. During that switch, a allegedly a bag got left behind on the first plane. It was reported that it was a blanket, but now there are reports saying that it was a bag. And I didn't see this widespread, but I'm just going to tell you what I read in a website. So this is from The New Republic, and the headline is: turns out Christy Gnome's plane freak out wasn't over a blanket. Homeland Security Secretary Christy Gnome's blanket fiasco may not have been about a blanket at all. The so-called Ice Barbie allegedly had her rumored bow, expired special media, expired special employee Corey Lewandowski, fire a Coast Guard pilot last May after a gnome neglected to bring her favorite weighted blanket onto the second flight of one of her trips. But three DHS insiders, and there we go, there's always leakers. And can I tell you, the Coast Guard now under DHS, a lot of leaks are coming out of the Coast Guard. And when there are leaks out of an organization or a business, I'm telling you this, and I know this in my job because I deal with it all the time, that speaks to a negative, seriously in crisis culture problem. So in this case, we have three of them. So they say DHS insiders. I'm gonna say most likely one, if not all, are from the Coast Guard because those people said that the spectacle was, and those three said those three leakers, those three moles said it wasn't about a blanket, but rather a mysterious bag with potentially embarrassing

Eroding Trust And Fallout

Molly McPherson 7:31

contents. So quoting one of the insiders, quote, this was never about a blanket. The blanket was a cover story for what really happened. The whole thing was really about the bag that was left. So the insiders were unable to shed light on what was inside the bag, but reports be but because of the reports that leaked out about how Corey Lewandowski acted around it, brings a lot of scrutiny to this whole interaction. A commanding officer for the Coast Guard, Keith Thomas, who was flying the plane, was fired. And Thomas was told to take a commercial flight home when they reached their destination. But moments later, Lewandowski had to backtrack on Thomas's terminated employment, though he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do any admission of wrongdoing. But instead, they needed to tap the pilot to fly her around again because no one else was available to fly them home. And that was in the Wall Street Journal. So this affair is considered a very poorly kept secret. Now, of course, I'm paying attention to the story because of my connection to the Coast Guard. I know so many people in the Coast Guard, and I know so many people retired from the Coast Guard, and I know Coast Guard pilots in the Coast Guard. So this story is a very believable story. So when you have behaviors like this, it leaves contempt and it leaves anger and it leaves people wanting retribution. Because I happen to know, and I know this from my direct messages, there are a lot of people in the Coast Guard who do not like how the administration is treating the Coast Guard. And I'm not saying this, yes, there is some bias there, but my goodness, these are the people out there, they are saving lives, they're protecting our coast, they are doing so many things. So for a Corey Lewandowski to fire a pilot like that is absolutely ridiculous. By the time Noam walks into that hearing room yesterday, the committee already has a full picture of her. All the things that she's done at DHS, everything happening in Minneapolis, her making all these wild comments from different locations. If you've followed my social media posts, there was one about her making a comment in Texas about something that's happening in Minnesota. Remember, she was wearing that ridiculous hat. But this rumored affair with a man on the government payroll, the man firing a military officer without authority, a cover story about a blanket that insiders have now blown up, this mysterious bag. Trust has been eroding for weeks, months around Christy Gnome. But now when things get messy, that's when leadership, and let's call it in this case the administration, President Trump, they have to start looking for fall guys when things get bad. And there's no question here, at least in my mind, from what I'm seeing and just reports that I'm reading, and how they're starting to circle the wagons, that Christy Gnome is now the administration fall person. And the question about Corey Lewandowski was coming. It was only a matter of time.

The Yes-Or-No Question

Molly McPherson 10:42

So there she is, the congressional hearing, cameras on, and committee members who have been throwing every single thing at her, and all these things are sticking to her. Now we have one congresswoman asking a question. It wasn't a complicated one. It wasn't a trick.

Speaker 2 10:59

So, Secretary Noam, at any time during your tenure as director of Department of Homeland Security, have you had sexual relations with Corey Lewandowski?

Molly McPherson 11:11

The person asking the question was Congresswoman Sidney Kamlager Dove. She is a Congresswoman representing the state of California, a Democrat. Secretary Noam had two choices, yes or no. Here's what she said instead.

Speaker 1 11:26

Mr. Chairman, I am shocked that we're going down and peddling tabloid garbage in this committee today. Reclaiming ma'am, one thing that I would tell you is that he is a special government employee who works for the White House.

Molly McPherson 11:38

She talked for four minutes without once saying yes or no. And the Congresswoman, to her credit, did not let it go.

Speaker 1 11:47

Federal government is a very good idea. It is okay for you to be no authority by the question.

Speaker 2 11:53

It is okay for you to have no authority by the question.

Speaker 1 11:55

Um making it. So what I would say is that the question is what we do at the Department of Home every single day without any hesitation.

Molly McPherson 12:05

Every single day is to protect the a one-sentence denial ends this. Full stop. Three words. No, I haven't, story over. Or no. News cycle moves on.

Speaker 2 12:15

Someone

What The Dodge Communicated

Speaker 2 12:16

is asked to make decisions you or any federal official is sleeping with their subordinate. That should be the easiest. You should be wanting to answer that question. Because it is not about your sensor that you have brought. It is about your judge. That kind of garbage is a problem.

Molly McPherson 12:29

It's about reclaiming my time so that I can hear my own. Here's what the non-answer communicated, whether she intended it to or not. I heard the question. I understood the question. I chose not to answer it. That is the only information people take away from a dodge that's obvious. Not innocence, not offense, just the confirmation that there was something she didn't want to say. When I look at a crisis, I always start with the human driver. Always. The thing underneath the tactical mistake, because the decision to dodge that question didn't come from nowhere. It came from a very specific mindset. The driver here is contempt. Contempt is different from the other crisis drivers I talk about, like narcissism, that's self-obsession, fear is self-protection. Contempt is directional. It's about a target. It says, you don't deserve a straight answer. This question is beneath me. The fact that you're even asking tells me everything I need to know about you. Watch the tell and gnome's response. She didn't say, I prefer not to discuss that. She said tabloid garbage. She performed offense. She looked at that question and decided the right move was to make the ask small. That's not deflection, that's contempt. And contempt is the only crisis driver that makes you look worse the harder you push back. So every time she called it garbage, she answered the question she was trying to avoid. And here's the thing about contempt in a crisis: it feels powerful in the moment, standing up, pushing back, refusing to dignify the question. It feels like strength, but it reads as guilt. We've all been asked a question we didn't want to answer. But if you're listening to this podcast, I bet you answered honestly. And I bet you've dealt with people who refuse to answer it. They make the question the problem. They

Contempt As A Crisis Driver

Molly McPherson 14:25

performed the offense. They redirected. They gave you a speech about something adjacent and hoped that you would forget what you originally asked. And you know that never works. Not once. Not in a congressional hearing, not in a kitchen conversation with someone who supposedly cares about you. Not in a performance review with a manager who already knows the answer. Think about the last time someone asked you something direct and uncomfortable and you can't think about the last time you asked someone directly something that was uncomfortable and they came back with, I can't believe you're asking me that question. How did that land with you? Did it end the conversation? Did it tell the person? Did it tell you exactly what you needed to know about that person? That type of speech doesn't protect a person. It confirms what someone else is already worried about. The hard thing, the thing that takes discipline is separating how you feel about a question from how you answer it. I tell this to clients all the time. I said it all week. I did five days of training in seven days, and I said this in every single one of my trainings. Noam clearly felt contempt for that question. Maybe it was genuine, maybe the question felt unfair to her. That feeling is allowed, but that feeling is not the response. The response is the response. And the response she chose made her look like someone with something to hide, whether she does or not. But I think she does. And the fix is so simple. She could have said this. No, I have not. Next question. It's done in 30 seconds. The story moves on. But instead, we have this clip and we have this podcast episode. So here's what I want you to think about this week.

How To Spot Dodges At Work

Molly McPherson 16:15

Is there a question that you've asked someone at work, at home, or in your head that they and they've been responding with a speech instead of an answer? That speech isn't protecting the person, it's just making your question louder. Pay attention to those conversations. Pay attention to the dodge.

Closing And Listener Challenge

Molly McPherson 16:35

All right, that's it for this week's episode. Thanks so much for listening. If this resonated, please send it to someone who needs it. And please come back next week because we keep going.